Fujoshi and Transman and their very similar fantasies.
A comparison of the elements of fujoshi fantasy with transmen fantasy. Surprising similarities.
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Who are fujoshi and what is BL?
Fujoshi is Japanese for “Rotten Girl” and refers to those who watch a genre called “Boys Love,” or BL for short. It is about men who fall in love with men and who aren’t necessarily Gay. When the genre started it was straight men failing in love with straight men, but even fujoshi over the years have figured out that isn’t so likely so now the sexual orientation is usually left to be vague or they are Gay.
Here are some links to information about this genre.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Life-Arts/Arts/Why-Chinese-women-are-falling-for-boys-love-fiction
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-japanese-women-who-love-gay-anime
The genre is both manga comics, anime, and also television series. It has a huge, a really huge following in East Asia and is becoming popular around the world.
Its fans are about 98% straight women. It is a genre written by women for women.
Its appeal for women is that they can have romantic and sexual fantasies, but not feel threaten because they are projected onto two men.
BL is also known as Danmei in Chinese and Yaoi for Japanese.
These fantasies are sometimes involving rape or one man really pushing himself onto the other. Despite one raping the other they fall in love. In BL one man pursues another despite the protestations of the other man against being pursued. In BLs “no” often means “yes.”
The comic books are really graphic and rape is commonly a part of the story. Much less in the television series, though recently a story for a very popular series starts out where one of the guys tries to drug another guy to enable him to fuck him without consent, but due to the mix up the intended victim gets instead the guy who wanted to drug him drugged and fucks him without his consent. As the series develops, they fall in love anyways. (“Big Dragon”)
The Mydramalist entry obscures what happens in the first episode.
https://mydramalist.com/721025-big-dragon
In “HIStory4: Close to You,” one guy drugs the other to have sex with him against the drugged guys consent. Part of the “happy” ending of the story is that they become lovers. https://mydramalist.com/681839-history4-close-to-you This entry has the tag “Dubious Consent.” It is actually without consent.
The BL comic books commonly have a cross-sectional view of a penis inside a rectum when the men are having intercourse, which is often rape. Gay men don’t need that visualization, fujoshi do.
The majority of the BL television series don’t have rape as part of the story line, but many often have one guy pursue the other guy despite his protestation.
For the BLs without rape, most of the BL television series do have a heavily romantic view of Gay life, though this is now changing, and perhaps the two guys will kiss in the 10th episode and maybe actually do something in the 12th or 15th episode.
These are the romantic fantasies of women projected onto men. This is now changing as fujoshi are learning more about the reality of Gay life. The fujoshi think it is very daring when they have sex in the first episode.
The lack of Gay reality in BL hasn’t gone unnoticed.
In this drama, “Ukkari gei ni kokuru,” a closeted Japanese high school student has a school friend who is a fujoshi and one of the themes is how she has a delusional idea of what Gay life is like versus the reality he has to deal with.
https://mydramalist.com/34090-fujoshi-ukkari-gei-ni-kokuru
Sometimes fujoshi stumble across real Gay content and it is both hilarious and offensive when they try to comprehend it and rate it as a BL and express how they are very uncomfortable with the sex scenes.
Read the commentary at this link where the lead reviewer, Jessica, is talking about it as a BL and is making sure you know about the “smut” and “gratuitous sex scene.”
https://mydramalist.com/34311-org-come-play
Fujoshi reviewers were also upset with “First Love,” (2007), a cute Gay movie of a Japanese young person coming out with frank portrayals of issues high school and college students have with Gay life. The protagonist male student Tadashi has a wet dream in the movie about his high school crush. Another Japanese Gay character has lots of hook ups. It deals with real issues in Gay life. I recommend viewing it.
https://mydramalist.com/6311-first-love-2007
The lead reviewer was so upset with the sex scenes in “First Love,” that in her review she thought two different characters were the same person and thought there was a problem with the plot. She deleted the review after I pointed out her error.
Not all the BL’s are horrible though. They are refreshing in that there isn’t the theme of the persecuted Gays or tormented souls accepting their same-sex attraction. Except for those intended as a great tragedy, Gay people mostly don’t die. Even in dramas when they die, they are often re-incarnated or brought into a new body. They are absent social worker scolding. You can imagine the high school years you might have had if you lived in an environment without homophobia in a Buddhist nation.
The producers of BL’s have simple comprehensible story lines and have no aspiration of complicated involved plots where perhaps one or more persons have to die to make the story “deep.” They are not hoping to be the most avant-garde art film producer at a “queer” film festival.
On the other hand, some are really not tolerable for a Gay person to watch. They are like eating junk candy, you can fill up with just a few.
Fujoshi have watch/review videos where they watch and comment on a BL. Warning the squealing could shatter glass.
The time of interest is 28:45 and has a caption, “Warning!!!! Turn Headphones Down Now!!!.” It is a valid warning.
There are four major similarities between fujoshi and transmen.
[1] BL fantasy of finding oneself in a male body.
A very common thing in BL is the story line where through the supernatural a woman finds herself in the body of a man. This happens in multiple ways.
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By wish
For example in the BL, “Great Men Academy,” (2019) a Thai girl is in love with a very popular man at the Great Men Academy, a fictional institution. She is transmuted into a man by means of a mystical unicorn and a wish, as the synopsis explains:
One day, she sees the mystical unicorn rumored to fulfill wishes and wished for her love for Vier to get a chance. Unfortunately, the unicorn interpreted her wishes in a different way and Love wakes up to find herself... as a guy?
https://mydramalist.com/31984-great-men-academy
Transmen, you don’t need testosterone, mastectomies, and phalloplasty, you just need to wish on a mystical unicorn.
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Grim Reaper Mistakes
Often in East Asian dramas there is a grim reaper who comes to collect the souls of individuals when they die and take them to the afterlife and reincarnation. They are not like Western grim reapers, but instead often attractive looking individuals doing a part of the cycle of life and reincarnation. They can make mistakes and then correct the problem by putting the woman’s soul into a male body.
In “My Hero,” in the HIStory1 set of three dramas, a girl is accidently taken by a grim reaper, but since they have already cremated her body they can’t put her back in it. So, they put her in the body of a boy for whom the grim reaper has already taken the soul and she is then given life and the male body. The story revolves around the challenge by the grim reaper that she will only live and be able to keep the body if he can get her former boyfriend to love her as a man.
https://mydramalist.com/22648-history-my-hero
Transmen, maybe you can get lucky and have a grim reaper make a mistake and then ask to be put into a body of a man.
A grim reaper mistake is also the basis of this body swapping BL, “The Shipper.”
https://mydramalist.com/49747-the-shipper
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Reincarnation
In “First Love Again,” the story is over hundreds of years and his love, originally a woman, has re-incarnated as a man and they have a relationship.
https://mydramalist.com/714711-first-love-for-the-third-time
In “Bit Fight,” the object of a vampire’s desire was a woman he loved centuries earlier, who is now reincarnated as a man.
https://mydramalist.com/18806-bite-fight
Another option transmen, reincarnate as a man next time.
Some stories have a man’s soul put into a woman’s body so they can pursue the straight guy.
In “Kamisama no Ekohiiki, (2022), (God’s Favor), Amano Yashiro (male) has a crush on his best friend Nanahara Kenta (male), but is rejected. He is in an accident and is re-incarnated as woman and decides to go after Kenta. He is a man in a woman’s body, how transman is that.
https://mydramalist.com/694265-kamisama-no-ekohiiki
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Traffic accidents
In “Cupid’s Last Wish,” as the result of a traffic accident, a brother finds himself in the body of a woman his sister. The plot involves the brother and his friend getting holy water from four temples to reverse the curse to get the brother back into his body and in the course of which the two guys have a relationship. Here you have a man in the body of a woman and the two men have a Gay romance.
https://mydramalist.com/715899-cupid-s-last-wish
Transmen should note that this is when the person was born a man and then has an accident and wakes up in a body of a woman. Drive safely, a traffic accident isn’t going to help you out.
The transman fantasy of becoming a man and attracting Gay men is the fantasy of many BLs.
[2] Sexual orientation can be changed.
This brings up another commonality between fujoshi and transmen, a confused idea of desire and sex. The fujoshi think a straight guy could develop romantic and sexual feelings for a man, and Gay identified transmen think a real Gay guy could develop romantic and sexual feelings for a woman, that is this them, a transman.
“My Hero” has as its story line a woman in a man’s body getting her former straight boyfriend to love her and her body or she will lose her body and perish.
In “First Love Again,” the immortal Yeon Seok, who had a romance with a woman 300 years ago, now has to love the person re-incarnated as a man. In “Bit Fight,” the male vampire is going to love his love, formerly a woman, as a person currently re-incarnated as a man.
However, changing sexual orientation in BL isn’t confined to just when one character shows up in a body of a different sex.
Most of the BLs have two men falling in love and thus developing desires for another man despite them being straight. Long before the nonsense of political Lesbianism there has been BL male homosexuality.
Fujoshi are beginning to realize that this might not be a real possibility and so some producers are having their characters be bi or pan, but generally defining the sexual orientation of the characters is avoided and kept vague so it can be imagined they might be straight guys falling in love.
The implication that the protagonists of the drama falling in love are straight, is encouraged by having the acknowledged Gay characters in the drama be flaming stereotypes, often negative, in contrast to the protagonists.
[3] Rape and coercive sex
Whereas “Fujimi Orchestra” had a straight guy forcibly raped by the protagonist, this has become a little more than the producers of BL videos series now wish to do.
However, forcible rape appears to be losing favor. Now it seems that the use of GHB, Gamma Hydoxybutyrate, is the plot device of choice to have sex without consent and without force.
“KinnPorsche” is a hugely popular drama for BL fans. GHB in the story results in Kinn fucking Porsche
See episode 4 in the following listing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KinnPorsche
The Mydramalist doesn’t mention the non-consensual sex in episode 4 in the plot synopsis nor in the summary of episode 4.
https://mydramalist.com/69667-kinnporsche
The television series is adapted from a novel and the novel did have forcible rape.
Additionally, the gangster protagonist Kinn forces Porsche to work for him by threatening the life of Porsche’s brother.
Though it seems that some fujoshi have begun to realize that rape is not a good thing, but they usually have some excuse for watching the series anyways.
Before moving to the overlap with transmen, two topics ought to be discussed.
Gays with any perception are about now in this essay wondering how this mass media where men rape other men or push themselves onto other men might enable the credibility of the infamous “panic defense” where straight men who have murdered Gay men, defend themselves in court that they panicked and killed the Gay man.
Fujoshi, with perhaps a few exceptions, have no knowledge of this as an issue. They get their information about Gay life from what television in their nation might tell them. Even if they did know, they would likely have an excuse.
It might be thought that scholars in “queer studies” might have concerns. They certainly are able to scold “cis” Gay men for not following their ideology. However, the lure of portfolio expansion, to have more subject matter, is irresistible. BLs with their numerous problems, are seen generally, though with some dissenting voices, as beneficial to the LGBTQXY (a.k.a. “queer”) community.
Fujoshi consuming rape fantasies, where one man is raping another man, are supporting as consumers the production of rape fantasies of a man raping another man. Though fujoshi understand these are fantasies and not likely to act upon them.
Not able to resort to violence and brute force, many transmen resort to intimidation. Transmen on social media platforms are outraged that there are Gay men who state they won’t have sex with them. Social media has the most violent sentiments expressed by transmen towards Gays. Denunciations and slandering of Gays as transphobic and having other negative qualities is constant.
LGBTQXYZ media is full of articles that push the idea that a Gay man should be open to having sex with transmen and are deficient as Gay persons if they aren’t. They are supported in this opinion by most if not all of the major LGBTQXYZ groups in the nation as well as the “queer” studies establishment.
The LGBTQXYZ establishment has an ongoing campaign of sexual harassment to pressure Gays to have sex with transmen.
Non-consenting sex can be accomplished by other means rather than force or coercive pressure. Stealth is used by some transmen to have sex without informed consent with Gay men.
In sex guides for transmen by organizations there is advice on how to have sex with Gay men without the Gay men knowing that they are trans, that is without giving informed consent.
At this website a transman gleefully explains how he fooled a Gay man at a bath house. (It is now only on the Internet Archive, since it seems that after I wrote a report on it, it disappeared from their website.)
https://web.archive.org/web/20211027121735/https://www.queertransmen.org/news-and-blogs/~10-Cruising
Don’t believe it! In reality, lots of cis-guys are into us, but even so, you don’t necessarily have to ‘out yourself’ to join in on the fun.
I remember one time I was in a bathhouse getting cruised by a guy who noticed my chest scars. He asked what they were from and without really thinking, I told him the first thing that came to mind, which was that I’d been in a car accident and had some ribs removed. The man then asked if there was a gap in my chest and I explained that there wasn't, because the ribs were replaced by metal ones. The lesson I learned that day was that most people will believe what you tell them, as long as you say it with a straight face. Hell, he probably still tells this story... although maybe not with the same punchline. In fact, in most cruising situations, guys will accept what you tell them without question, providing their own explanations where things don't seem to fit. Even those who do ask questions, probably won't consider the possibility that you’re trans.
Further he gives advice on how to do the deception.
So if you’re not telling people you’re trans, what can you do?
Lots of things! I usually say that I’m only into giving head, hand jobs, and/or being fucked in the ass, but don’t want them to touch my dick. If they don’t respect this, then it’s totally acceptable and not at all weird to remove their hand and/or walk away. You can also hold a towel over your front while getting fucked, and wear swim trunks or boxer briefs under your towel, when walking around and enjoying the hot tub/sauna.
Your wants and needs won’t really seem odd in a place where, generally speaking, anything goes and where the worst that can happen is that the other person will walk away or tell you that they’re not interested. Don’t worry; there are always plenty of guys who will be.
The page about who was publishing this was pulled also. The Internet Archive captured it.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220127213743/https://www.queertransmen.org/about-us
It is the Gay/Bi/Queer Trans Men’s Working Group, of the Gay Men’s Sexual Health Alliance in Ontario. This isn’t some fringe group, it is the LGBTQXYZ establishment how to rape Gay men. This is their website.
[The full report I did on this site will be a link at the end of this essay.]
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Stealth in the Park
The GMSH in Ontario hasn’t pulled a guide for “Gay” transmen and it is still online.
https://atq1980.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/A-sex-guide-for-trans-men-into-men.pdf
It is on the Internet Archive also at this link in case it also disappears.
The issue of deception is in a section titled, “Getting Started: Disclosing you are trans,” on page 7.
It opens up with the statement, “As gay, bi or queer trans men, we often need to decide if we want to tell the men with whom we have sex that we’re trans. That is particularly true for those of us who are ‘read’ by others as cis-men.” Informing the Gay man is considered optional and on page 9 the guide advises.
Whatever you decide, there will obviously be pros and cons. The key is to be as prepared as possible for the different outcomes, and to know what your limits are.
On page 10, in a section on Cruising, the idea that disclosure is optional is again presented.
On page 11 the handbook points out that parks and public washrooms offer the opportunity to have sex without informed consent. From the manual:
Depending on what kind of sex you’re planning to have, you may decide that disclosing you’re trans is unnecessary. For example, it’s not uncommon for some men (whether they’re trans or not) to only suck cock while not allowing their own genitals to be touched. It’s okay to decide ahead of time what you want to do and whether you want to disclose, and to stick to that plan. If you meet someone who wants to do something you don’t, remember, there are other guys who are willing to have sex on mutually agreed-to terms – so it might be worth some extra time and effort to find them!
Informed consent for sex is optional in this guide. The guide is telling transmen that if the strategy to deceive one particular Gay man doesn’t work at the park, there will be plenty of other Gay men who possibly can be deceived. (A link to a report on this guide is at the end of this newsletter.)
Transmen don’t feel that they have to inform a person that they are trans until they want to and have no obligation to do so. The fact that it is an interaction with two people is not comprehended, it is all about them. Gay men report that they showed up for a meet up and then only after they met, did the transman disclose. Transmen complain that the Gay man rejected him during the meet up and they are often bitter about it.
Social coercion and intimidation along with the lack of informed consent is rape culture.
In this tweet, Gays who don’t want to have sex with a transmen should be beaten to death.
It is fortunate that men are generally bigger than women and stronger otherwise I think that there would be significant issues regarding the safety of Gay men.
If you don’t believe it, talk to some Lesbians and their issues with transbians.
[4] Real Gay life.
Both fujoshi and transmen often react negatively to real Gay life as not being like men courting women and not like the romantic fantasies that many women have. The fujoshi reviews of two real Gay movies was mentioned in the introduction.
The big difference between fujoshi and transmen.
Fujoshi know that they are dealing with fantasies and that BL isn’t real life. Fujoshi know there aren’t mystical unicorns.
Transmen however think that with testosterone, surgeries they can become real men. Though they don’t believe in mystical unicorns, they believe in another fantasy, gender theory, as something real.
Fujoshi aren’t demanding sex from Gay men, the whole genre is invented to have sexual issues projected away from them and onto men.
Transmen are endlessly enraged denouncing Gay men for not wanting to have sex with them, having campaigns of social intimidation, and considering to what extent they can deceive. They are truly incels.
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